It means the killboards will show blue on blue. Which really screws up a corporation's reputation.

In what world do you see an up trend in the picture you posted?

I see two days a week with an up trend from patch week... but even those are dead even with first week of July.

The rest of the days, Friday in particular... oh boy, me thinks you need glasses my friend.

You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP.

And its not like you have never made a claim which was not backed by data... sometimes you even post data and you misinterpret or spin it to your advantage.

Oh well, so it goes with GD.

It would be very difficult to argue that since Incursions the expansions of Eve for the last 5 years have been anything but updates to Null.

Highsec, Industry and Wormholes have been slowly left to die in the last couple years. You can go to the wormhole forum and say "CCP loves Wormholes and has added content to them" and watch as you get laughed out of the forum.

Same thing for the industry and mission forums, go there and tell them updates were all for them...

Bottom line is, its not a real quantifiable thing to put hard values on what expansions helped and hurt per se... we can however quantify the number of revisions to capital ships, Sov, Anoms, system upgrades and such, which are exclusive to null/low sec space.

Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.

Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^

(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )

^_^

Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.

I didn't say it could be done easily, nor did I suggest it'd be a good idea if it could, but that doesn't change the fact that EVE has 2 shards.

LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.

We know how sarcasm works.

As in "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... it is!". That's how the "oh wait" works.

It's not "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... That's not technically possible because of legal differences between China and the rest of the world requiring the merged shard to be operated from China under a Chinese company resulting in a substandard gameplay experience for the rest of us".

I can do math just fine... all the regions are listed and you are free to add up all the Null regions and tell me how close it gets.

Also, you keep using the fallback of population density... but fail to account for the fact that production, mining, rating were all very healthy in 0.0

So which is it, everyone living there a carebear? Or its empty but magically stuff is happening? I know which is true, and so do you.

Also, it was pointed out already on Reddit that Quant used isk generation as his measurement of activity to counter Eve-Offline.net numbers... however activity in general is still down, so Quant was trying to spin that. Sorry, PCU, Activity and Subscribers are all down. Bad for CCP, bad for the game.


For all your talk about how much you hate High Sec and want it nerfed, you boys sure do take everything you can out of it when you can. Face it, 0.0 NEEDS high sec. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/exports.female.dancers.png

Demand more change! Change is good if the right stuff is changed! More improvements more long term satisfaction! More depth!

Oh, is going to be an awesome 2016. So much potential for good fights and more newbie integration into largescale combat. Woo hoo for interaction!

So according to CCP Quant, the game is fine because they have 14,000 players online less but the remaining ones play more.

Which means that subscriptions are secondary to people doing stuff ingame.

Oh good lord please read what you are talking about before commenting.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/total.destroyed.value.(pvp).by.region.sept.2015.png

Your precious regions didn't even make a scratch on a one day block of Uedema.

And as a Forensic Auditor, it is my job to take data and made ... unqualified opinion reports...

and people still posting in this thread

starting to turn into VAPID!!!

PCU is going down, but ingame activity is doing great (it's even INCREASING) and he's pretty proud of it.

Oh and I love that part about how I must be a "Yank" because it isn't summer where I live... as if Merika' is the only place that has the seasons of the year

Revise your numbers. Only 13.8% of logons participated in PVP, consensual or otherwise.

I think this only reinforces the suspicion that the greater force in numbers lies in high sec ...

ED is a buy to play game, with paid expansions and a game shop. So far they've released the beta to the first paid expansion, and their shop haves a nice set of ship paintjobs at prices ranging 4 to 7 $, plus paintjob bundles, plus ingame items (bobleheads...), plus RL stuff likeT-shirts, mugs, baseball caps, et cetera, all at industry standard prices... they have no 3,000 $ levitaitng scale models of ships like can be seen in other games.

You're absolutely wrong.

This is the truth of what do indivdual subscribers do with their accounts and characters.

Professionals (do everything): 30%
Entrepreneurs (do PvE and industry, barely move from highsec): 25%
Traditionals (play EVE as a ordinary MMO): 25%
Social (mostly socialize and skillqueue online) 12%
Aggressors (mostly do PvP): 8%

Those are CCP data from Fanfest 2015. As you may notice, PvP is irrelevant to Traditionals and a very minor acivity to Entrepreneurs, and is almost non-existant to Socials (since they barely undock...). That's 62% of individuals who don't pay CCP for PvP since they don't engage in PvP, but may suffer it occasionally.

These Fanfest data just confirmed what every PvEr aware of her environment already knew. EVE is not a PvP game, not by the numbers. And that is in blatant contradiction to what PvPrs think of themselves and the game, and what CCP used to think about the game. "PvP" is branding, but the real product is PvE.

Further reading

From the blog linked above: "(...) Can I go up to someone and, with a straight face, tell them that a game in which the average player in a 3-hour play session will most likely only kill NPCs and not kill another player or have another player kill him, is a PvP game?" -Nosy Gamer.

Pretty sure you just called me an idiot. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

But, if, then, the goal is to use language describing mechanics, wouldn't a better system be to call "ratting" mission pvp, or mining "industry pvp" or trading "market pvp," as opposed to labels which perpetuate two polar opposites when in fact, they are both just different forms of competition? PvE carries a stigma in this game and there's this 'us against them' battle that's been raging for years. It cannot end; as the debate, framed this way, is indeed circular and pointless.

All I'm saying is that it would be better to focus on the ways various forms of gameplay are alike than to describe them in terms that belie their nature. It's all PvP so terming half the activities in game something less than makes little sense. Imo.

Someone could turn it in to a book?

It will take 2-3 months for me to recoup my losses. During which time I'm likely to get ganked again. It's a never ending spiral down to bankruptcy. For no other reason than someone wants to feel good about being able to hinder someone else.

I thought EVE was a game I could play a little at a time. Unlike other online games where I might need 2 hours of uninterrupted time to run a mission.

I also thought it would be the kind of game where I could mind my own business and not be bothered or go in for something more (like pvp) when I have the time. If I was a big PVP guy with unlimited time to play, I'd buy a PS4.

The gankers are pretty clear that they believe EVE would be "better" without players like me.

I posted here to see if that was a minority opinion or a prevailing one. The prevailing opinion seems to be "if you walk down the street in New Eden in broad daylight without a gun on your hip; you should expect to get mugged" PVP is a requirement; a fact of life. That's fine if that's the answer. I'm not here to try and change anyone's opinion.

CCP is an extremely unknown company that has been losing money for a while ...

CCP Financials thru 2014

Even in a good year like 2014 they were operating at a -49% net profit margin.

They had negative cash flow most years, and started floating bonds for cash.

The two seats sold for the VR partnership with Valkyrie and the loans to take the company private again makes me a bit worried they are in deeper trouble than the Eve-Offline numbers would suggest.

... CCP's profits, but they still don't mean EVE is struggling, and they also don't mean CCP is struggling. I've managed enough businesses to understand that a loss in profit says nothing to the health of the business overall. Could just mean we had a slow month.

It's been a while since you and I were on the same page about something.

Mr Epeen

Don't know...don't care.

But neither can anyone else other than the people who are involved with CCP financials. And you won't find any of them posting in GD.

Mr Epeen

Fair call. I'm certainly more used to seeing people post CCP financials as 'proof' that EVE is dying. Call it a knee-jerk on this one. My bad.

Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox?

That was scary even when Burn Jita wasn't going on!

A question semi-related to the topic of the thread:

I haven't heard about many epic null fights on non-eve sites in forever. Does that have something to do with the lack of new people? I mean in the past, you'd expect some crapstrom to make news in places like the escapist, kotaku, or d-toid once a year or so. Maybe the game isn't getting enough free publicity like it used to.

I can now fly a Sabre, but **** if I knew what I should do with it.

Nice to know you struggle with math too.

I remember logging in years ago and seeing 90k plus players on at any given time... The massive decline in numbers started when C.O.D.E came into play, you want more people playing and new blood coming in kick the new order aka code out of high sec end their clear violation of the tos.

Your Troll-o-meter needs a serious adjustment.

All i know without reading 192 pages is that afew years ago there used to be 70k+ online, now were down to 20 - 30k.

That seems rapid enough to me.

You other thing not considered in this is the amount of free games coming out, console games are far more advanced and addictive (Alot of old friends are playing xbox now instead of Eve) and the decline in the amount of consumers who will pay monthly fee's for games.

... merge the different games together into one environment and experience as they already tried with Dust, but it just wasn't integrated enough. Different game genres in one universe where people from different genres have an impact on each others, and where you can go from one genre to another seamlessly.

They do however medicate, care for and allow them to be comfortable while they make the transition into whatever afterlife they believe in.

Yes I have been part of watching family members go out slowly over years of care and end of life treatment. But my personal experiences have nothing to do with the analogy in comparison to legacy software, so best we not talk about this on a level other than the generalization.

Thats it folks, they have shut down the servers!

What do we do now?

It doesn't work that way.
How about you (or he) offer support for your claim that 62% are, since that's what's in question?

Above all, it doesn't actually show interest GÇö only logged on-line activity, and exactly how it is tied to individual players is hidden under the very opaque statement GÇ£aggregated on a player level.GÇ¥

So is AFK cloaking as a red in renter space while you go down the pub PvE? or PvP? or both? or something else entirely ?

This game is what it is because the executable file is called Eve.exe

...

400K * $15 = $6,000,000

6 mil * 12 = $72 million What EVE makes at total possible numbers a year

Which has sold out all the way into July. I think CCP has bet on the right horse.

EVE will still exist but ... it won't be their flagship title anymore.

Nope, it's factually inaccurate, but it's not wrong.

You can make up whatever numbers you want. And you might very well be right about 2012 killboards missing things. But I know for damn sure these 2015 are complete BS.

They don't match what he wants to believe lol.

I imagine it's that they aren;t ganking, they are ship losses in general, hence procurer beign at the top when clearly it's not the most ganked barge. Also if the stats were from zkb, then the 2008 stats were from somewhere else as zkb has nearly no kills for 2008.

Also when was the last large fight? Its been a while hasn't it.

...show us the math on your 2015 and link the rest of the barge and freighters please.

Digging deeper most procurer kills tend to be in null - Providence, Delve etc or in lowsec. Very few Procurers are lost in hisec.

https://zkillboard.com/ship/17480/

lol I'm not i promise don't burn me : (

All I'm saying is this company has a lot of opportunities and an endless amount of content they can provide if they chose to, what I think we need was partially listed above but those are just my opinions and I would really just be happy if we got some thing new haha.

Do you have any suggestions?!

Just doing my monthly check-in to see if Jenn and Luke have made sex yet. Seems like they're still just flirting though. Are you guys over 30? You should totally be in the "are we doing this or not?" phase by now.

Uhhh wut? Elite is also as single shard as EVE is, which is to say, only from a high level. You're suggesting other games are not single shard because you only see a set number of people while you are flying about. EVE is no different in this regard. Think about if we are sitting in two adjacent solar systems.

I have played it, I do still play it, and you're right. There could be a few hundred people in Sol but you can participate in the ongoings of the system in solo mode if you want and see no one, as well as be seen by no one, while, say, still trading on the exact same market as they are. You can also have an effect on PowerPlay outcomes from solo mode, which kinda defeats the purpose of a galaxy where player choices are meant to mean something. Don't mean much if you can't stop someone effecting the outcome of a whole region if they're in solo mode and no one can touch them.

It's instanced individually, too. All the unidentified sigs I see in space, no one else can see. They get their own set. You can still follow someone into a drop out of frameshift into their sig, but you won't see the same targets that they're shooting at, you'll just see them.

Being able to interact with anyone is generally something that comes with a single shard architecture as you are all in the same universe so it makes sense to be able to, but it's not the thing that makes it single shard. You can have multiple shards (like WoW battlegroups are multiple copies of the worlds) and those worlds might even have different rules (PvP and PvE servers) yet they can interact by joining battlegrounds, instances and levelling areas with people on different servers.